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Contemplative Advanced technology or adaptability?

Mr.Sascha6767

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Currently we, the humans, have technology which makes life for all of us easier.
Though it has it positive traits it comes with negative ones aswell.

One of them would be the ressources and investment to make something long lasting and profitable for all of us, including the nature which leads to the next topic.

The second would be how much we could damage the environment for us or for the other living animals and plants.

We had to adapt against nature to survive in difficult environments or situations. Some of the environment were the coldness in some region or the heat. Concerning the situations, I refer to how we've changed to adapt for example the strength of other animals which could hit us we had a sturdier body but low on stamina/endurance or for nowadays we are some of the strongest animals in terms of stamina (running,jogging etc.).

But we gained those 'abilities' due to the fact we had to survive in extreme situations. Looking today we have it relatively easy regarding to live.
And found new ways to advance as a race, with this I mean we built equipments, houses, tools and etc.

Thanks to this we hadn't had the chance to evolve further but it allowed us to get technology which boosts us in like every area to develop new ways to make our life easier as written in the beginning of this thread.

One example of this would be the subject regarding sports. Cyclist nowadays haven't improved in terms of their stamina/power compared to the ones which lived like 100 years ago but reach their goal faster thanks to improved bikes.

But our technology isn't lasting forever and requires energy which could be low in the near future due to the fact nobody wants nuclear energy ( In germany atleast is like that, not sure about other countries).

Compared to the adaptability, we still have it and can make use of it even though it could take generations nowadays to achieve some progress since we aren't used to the extreme situations anymore.
Coming back to the sports example, athletes have different bodies to match their specialized sport. For example a runner who was 5'5 and a swimmer 6'3 had the same pants size, but because of their spezialized sport which they trained for a long time their bodies mutated respectively to match best for their sport.

Now since I have written everything I had thought of, would you rather go for more advanced technology or get back to the old times and adapt your body to certain situations? Or combine both of them?

I personally think both are good in their own respective ways to improve us but both have downsides regarding our well being/ health. Technology could lead us to become too lazy and end up like the people from WALL-E (Just an example). To adapt would mean us to become basically like the swarm from Starcraft2 (again just an example) and let some of us risk their own lifes to gain a new ability.
 

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Currently we, the humans, have technology which makes life for all of us easier.
Though it has it positive traits it comes with negative ones aswell.

One of them would be the ressources and investment to make something long lasting and profitable for all of us, including the nature which leads to the next topic.

The second would be how much we could damage the environment for us or for the other living animals and plants.

We had to adapt against nature to survive in difficult environments or situations. Some of the environment were the coldness in some region or the heat. Concerning the situations, I refer to how we've changed to adapt for example the strength of other animals which could hit us we had a sturdier body but low on stamina/endurance or for nowadays we are some of the strongest animals in terms of stamina (running,jogging etc.).

But we gained those 'abilities' due to the fact we had to survive in extreme situations. Looking today we have it relatively easy regarding to live.
And found new ways to advance as a race, with this I mean we built equipments, houses, tools and etc.

Thanks to this we hadn't had the chance to evolve further but it allowed us to get technology which boosts us in like every area to develop new ways to make our life easier as written in the beginning of this thread.

One example of this would be the subject regarding sports. Cyclist nowadays haven't improved in terms of their stamina/power compared to the ones which lived like 100 years ago but reach their goal faster thanks to improved bikes.

But our technology isn't lasting forever and requires energy which could be low in the near future due to the fact nobody wants nuclear energy ( In germany atleast is like that, not sure about other countries).

Compared to the adaptability, we still have it and can make use of it even though it could take generations nowadays to achieve some progress since we aren't used to the extreme situations anymore.
Coming back to the sports example, athletes have different bodies to match their specialized sport. For example a runner who was 5'5 and a swimmer 6'3 had the same pants size, but because of their spezialized sport which they trained for a long time their bodies mutated respectively to match best for their sport.

Now since I have written everything I had thought of, would you rather go for more advanced technology or get back to the old times and adapt your body to certain situations? Or combine both of them?

I personally think both are good in their own respective ways to improve us but both have downsides regarding our well being/ health. Technology could lead us to become too lazy and end up like the people from WALL-E (Just an example). To adapt would mean us to become basically like the swarm from Starcraft2 (again just an example) and let some of us risk their own lifes to gain a new ability.
There is no need to go to old times if you want to adapt, you said it yourself athletes or any human really can adapt their body to what they want, though as you said it has its limitations. The reason why we used to adapt so much is because only the fittest/strongest best of what we all are now used to survive before medicine and the school of thought that everyone should be given equal opportunity to live. Which is why the adaption is very rare, there are a few exceptions like this. Like you could still be very athletic and fit all your life, but that trend needs to be for at least 4 generations for you to make a difference in the gene pool. For the gene pool I do advocate for the fact that if you know that the baby will have a disability it shouldn't be born, like what Iceland is doing. We can still adapt by changing the way we think, and others in toll. Because a fit and healthy body leads to a healthy mind and it only helps us go forward in life and in technology.
Which brings me to the answer to your questions, optimistically a bit of both, adapt our bodies to pinnacle of health and fitness while using technology to help us do it, as given an example above. Realistically advance technology, which will help us and will be way easier than force people to adapt. And no I don't think WALL-E will happen because there is a lot of fat people ye, but just as many fit people, or well healthy*.
 

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There is no need to go to old times if you want to adapt, you said it yourself athletes or any human really can adapt their body to what they want, though as you said it has its limitations. The reason why we used to adapt so much is because only the fittest/strongest best of what we all are now used to survive before medicine and the school of thought that everyone should be given equal opportunity to live. Which is why the adaption is very rare, there are a few exceptions like this. Like you could still be very athletic and fit all your life, but that trend needs to be for at least 4 generations for you to make a difference in the gene pool. For the gene pool I do advocate for the fact that if you know that the baby will have a disability it shouldn't be born, like what Iceland is doing. We can still adapt by changing the way we think, and others in toll. Because a fit and healthy body leads to a healthy mind and it only helps us go forward in life and in technology.
Which brings me to the answer to your questions, optimistically a bit of both, adapt our bodies to pinnacle of health and fitness while using technology to help us do it, as given an example above. Realistically advance technology, which will help us and will be way easier than force people to adapt. And no I don't think WALL-E will happen because there is a lot of fat people ye, but just as many fit people, or well healthy*.
True, I feel like the further you go pass in technology though even physical limitations can be solved with technology. Right now it's true that we are not stronger than past generations but thanks to technology in medicine we live far longer lives than they did. The issue of physical limitation can also be solved through various methods such as gene manipulation at childbirth in the near future or the less ethically muddy way of AI adjusting our bodies in adulthood in the distant future. I have no doubt people in 100 years from now we'll be healthier, stronger, smarter and more beautiful than us without needing to work for it. After all, what is the difference between evolving naturally to gain favorable traits than having transplants do it for you if the end result is the same?
 

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One example of this would be the subject regarding sports. Cyclist nowadays haven't improved in terms of their stamina/power compared to the ones which lived like 100 years ago but reach their goal faster thanks to improved bikes.
Certainly our technology has improved, however at what cost? I agree. We as humans were much stronger millenniums ago when we lacked technology. Example; During the Greek Persian war the runner Pheidipplides ran 40 kms from marathon to athens to announce the greek allied victory and died... Allegedly. This is not true, he ran 240 kms from Athens to Sparta AND back, without dying to request help. It was the heavily armored greek hoplites that ran 40 kms from athens to marathon. There is no source that he even died. This is a testiment to what the human body is capable of.


Coming back to the sports example, athletes have different bodies to match their specialized sport. For example a runner who was 5'5 and a swimmer 6'3 had the same pants size, but because of their spezialized sport which they trained for a long time their bodies mutated respectively to match best for their sport.
Humans are the most adaptive being on this planet hands down, yet do we really mutate as you describe here? Our bones hardly change as you describe according to modern research and scientific understanding. From a general perspective the understanding is that trainers and coaches pick and choose the guys that will fit the task.

Again, I agree. I remember reading about a Swedish man who survived 2 months with nothing but snow in his car stranded in the middle of winter. We really are the most adaptive beings ever.

Now since I have written everything I had thought of, would you rather go for more advanced technology or get back to the old times and adapt your body to certain situations? Or combine both of them?
I think most would not want to do that. We have already seen as a society and as individuals what an easy life can be. Can we adapt back if we were forced? Yes we could. Aforementioned Swedish guy is an example of that. However if it was up to choice. They say a person who has once taken heroine will never be able to forget the pleasure. He will not even get pleasure from other things, he will forever be cursed no matter what. Food will not taste as good compared to the heroine he took. Sex will not even feel as good compared to the pleasure of the heroine he had taken. A cursed man. Of course Heroine is an extreme example. Someone who drinks cola will not like water if he drinks it right after. However it will be possible to drink water the next week no problem.

What I am trying to say is that everything is relative. We have already seen what such easiness can be. Can we forget that and get into a hunter gatherer mindset if we had to? I guess we could, or atleast most of us(9 billlion people?), Of course It would be difficult being a hunter gatherer without getting to play island troll tribes in the evening after hunting a wild elk and setting up a fire in the damp cave.

have no doubt people in 100 years from now we'll be healthier, stronger, smarter and more beautiful than us without needing to work for it. After all, what is the difference between evolving naturally to gain favorable traits than having transplants do it for you if the end result is the same?
What you say is a possiblity, yet it sounds G-dless and devoid of soul. It is like when someone buys a new Mercedes, he is ecstatic for the first couple of days or weeks but then it wears off and nobody cares anymore. It is not difficult. It will be an age of absolute decadence which will usher the apocalypse. I doubt it will get to that point of course. Men constantly needs goals to strive for or he starts losing his mind, getting closer to the devil. Scheming. When we reach perfection that is when all hell will break loose. Boredom breeds insanity.
 
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I would choose technology over adaption. Then use said superior technology to make changes in the genetic code to enhance different traits. Im talking bio-engineered humans that are smarter, stronger, all around better, but also constrained to the limits of our genetic programming (which remain unknown). Basically, using technology to speed the absurdly slow process of natural selection and see what we can get. Whether we can adapt to live without oxygen is debatable, but we can most certainly build tools to help us survive places without breathable oxygen (scuba gear, space suit). But then again Technology can be used constructively or destructively (in the Wall-E case), having an easy life is not something you should want. "No man is more unhappy than he who never faces adversity. For he is not permitted to prove himself" (Seneca). I would prefer my own character to be like tempered steel rather than like a pillow. If better technology were to bring about a paradisal life (like the marshmallow humans from wall-e) then we would seize to be humans as we know them.
Also if we were to build a technology that betrayed us (cuz humans can suck), or one that kills us off slowly and innocently (you know what i mean), then we would get what we deserve. Tragically killing ourselves by the work of our own hands.
 
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