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CK2 Israel ironman challange

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So everyone eventually gets bored of their usual game so I felt like it would be cool to spice things up for those that have already finished all the games they liked and so on. So ck2 is quite easy all by itself if you play as one of the usual suspects like Sicily or Flanders or noob island England or even some muslim blob. However fun and interesting stories come from challenge and this is what this challenge is as I experienced it, although I did it originally for the Kingdom of David achievement.

The reason this challenge is going to be unique is because of all the phases that have to be done to do it successfully essentially covers a huge portion of the game mechanics and encompasses almost all the fun and intresting mini games and unique features that ck2 has to offer from weird pagan warrior lodges, being a barbarian nomad, settiling as a tribe and dealing with that, becoming feudal, dealing with the usual succession crisises, being the front line against the muslim blobs and having to fight the Byzantines at the same time, and even becoming friends(or enemies) of the Tang Emperor, along with the annoying crusaders that will come knocking. All in all this challange will make sure that if you do survive you will have experienced every fun feature of ck2 in one campaign. Which I will vouch is really fun, if not a little hectic.

Well the basic rules of this challange are:
-Has to be in Ironman
-With Defensive pacts
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-Have to start as Khazars
-Have to start as a Jew
-Reconstruct the Third Temple via intrigue decision
-Form the Kingdom of Israel via the intrigue decision
-Must become feudal (edit: or tribal) within a decade of forming the Kingdom of Israel (It is hardly a Kingdom of David if is nomadic not to mention anti-thematic)
-Must survive the Mongol Invasion

Tips:
-convert culture to Ashkenazi because they get a cool retinue
-convert as many counties to the aforementioned culture to be able to use cool retinues
-convert to Tribal to convert all your Nomadic clans to you or face all of them going independent and coming back to hear the lamentation of your women
-use the Chinese Empire's bonuses as they are extremely helpful
-grab the Ark while still Khazar
-don't die from crusades

Here is some of the weird things that can happen:

Became a cuckold as you can see by the Emperor's descendents (Of course nobody even the Emperor didn't think anything was suspicious),

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Viceroys expanding the Empire without any help, despite giving away lots of independence and trying to not let things get out of hand
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That is about it. It is extremely fun and unique and the best and most interactive campaign I have personally experienced.
 
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jews are op in ck2, this is too easy
Of course they are not op. They get opinion maulses with everybody around them they have no allies and only 1 holy order that you have to struggle to create. Christians get dozens of holy orders. There is no game start with Ashkenazi culture counties. It is as difficult as it can possibly be. Surrounded by enemies while having no allies around? For some reason all the Ashkenazis characters that spawn around have almost no martial skill.

If someone is looking for something very difficult this is it. Although the focus of this challange is not difficulty, the focus is fun and it is fun because the Kingdom of Israel is in the middle of the map so you get the crusades, China, Mongols, Jihads, plagues, Byzantines, Muslim Blobs, Indian Blobs among hundreds of other random fun things that can happen.

Edit: Also if you read the first post I wrote that the rule of the challange is to do it in Ironman mode. I also forgot to mention that one of the important things that make it fun and not frustrating to play aka christians, is that raiders hardly come to the Middle East.
 
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So everyone eventually gets bored of their usual game so I felt like it would be cool to spice things up for those that have already finished all the games they liked and so on. So ck2 is quite easy all by itself if you play as one of the usual suspects like Sicily or Flanders or noob island England or even some muslim blob. However fun and interesting stories come from challenge and this is what this challenge is as I experienced it, although I did it originally for the Kingdom of David achievement.

The reason this challenge is going to be unique is because of all the phases that have to be done to do it successfully essentially covers a huge portion of the game mechanics and encompasses almost all the fun and intresting mini games and unique features that ck2 has to offer from weird pagan warrior lodges, being a barbarian nomad, settiling as a tribe and dealing with that, becoming feudal, dealing with the usual succession crisises, being the front line against the muslim blobs and having to fight the Byzantines at the same time, and even becoming friends(or enemies) of the Tang Emperor, along with the annoying crusaders that will come knocking. All in all this challange will make sure that if you do survive you will have experienced every fun feature of ck2 in one campaign. Which I will vouch is really fun, if not a little hectic.

Well the basic rules of this challange are:
-Has to be in Ironman
-With Defensive pacts
-867
-Have to start as Khazars
-Have to start as a Jew
-Reconstruct the Third Temple via intrigue decision
-Form the Kingdom of Israel via the intrigue decision
-Must become feudal within a decade of forming the Kingdom of Israel (It is hardly a kingdom of it is nomadic not to mention anti-thematic)
-Must survive the Mongol Invasion

Tips:
-convert culture to Ashkenazi because they get a cool retinue
-convert as many counties to the aforementioned culture to be able to use cool retinues
-convert to Tribal to convert all your Nomadic clans to you or face all of them going independent and coming back to hear the lamentation of your women
-use the Chinese Empire's bonuses as they are extremely helpful
-grab the Ark while still Khazar
-don't die from crusades

Here is some of the weird things that can happen:

Became a cuckold as you can see by the Emperor's descendents (although nobody even the Emperor didn't think anything was suspisious),

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Viceroys expanding the Empire without any help, despite giving away lots of independence and trying to not let things get out of hand
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That is about it. It is extremely fun and unique and the best and most interactive campaign I have personally experienced.
beautiful map lizard knight ;)
 

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Of course they are not op. They get opinion maulses with everybody around them they have no allies and only 1 holy order that you have to struggle to create. Christians get dozens of holy orders. There is no game start with Ashkenazi culture counties. It is as difficult as it can possibly be. Surrounded by enemies while having no allies around? For some reason all the Ashkenazis characters that spawn around have almost no martial skill.

If someone is looking for something very difficult this is it. Although the focus of this challange is not difficulty, the focus is fun and it is fun because the Kingdom of Israel is in the middle of the map so you get the crusades, China, Mongols, Jihads, plagues, Byzantines, Muslim Blobs, Indian Blobs among hundreds of other random fun things that can happen.

Edit: Also if you read the first post I wrote that the rule of the challange is to do it in Ironman mode. I also forgot to mention that one of the important things that make it fun and not frustrating to play aka christians, is that raiders hardly come to the Middle East.
The problem is that because there is no other jews, you can invite all lthe op stewardship 30, learning 25 and dip 30 guys to your court. Along with the fact that the ark of the covenant spawns right nextt to you
 

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The problem is that because there is no other jews, you can invite all lthe op stewardship 30, learning 25 and dip 30 guys to your court.
What about the martial commanders that you so desperately need to actually... Win wars against all the neighbors that are holy warring you constantly?


Along with the fact that the ark of the covenant spawns right nextt to you
Of course they are not far, they are diplomatically out of reach completely. The holy ark spawns next to you? What is your definition of "next to you"? Khazaria is thousands of kilometres away from Abyssinia and on top of that there is no ships that khazars can get to get there. Of course even if you do make your way over there by foot you leave yourself vulnerable to everybody and everything else that can go and will go wrong while your army is off raiding Abyssinia.

PS: those who know how to use the character finder can get 30 skill of whatver they want even without being Jewish. I have no argument to fight, there is no argument here. Jews are the funnest religion to play as because they are not hard and not easy, they are moderate difficulty if you are pro. Of course if you are a noob they are next to impossible although the aforementioned statements can be said about anything in ck2.
 

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there are jews in africa you racist bigot. Blacks are the real jews

right next to them is Aksum, where the ark always spawn
 

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there are jews in africa you racist bigot. Blacks are the real jews

right next to them is Aksum, where the ark always spawn
Of course, I am glad you read my tips section, you have good reading comprehension today.

On the topic of Etheopians and their fake claims. Monkey see monkey do. Those are not Jews they are fake Jews. They saw that Israel became the most powerful country in the world and because King Solomon tought one Etheopian Princess centuries ago they think that they are all Jews. Not to mention playing as Aksum is a deathwish. Read the actual thread post before posting next time.
 

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Oy vey, no need to fight guys. =)
 

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Oy vey, no need to fight guys. =)
It has gotten to this... If the admins even see the two of us talk about anything at all they assume we are fighting. Nobody bothered reading any of the posts? Either way free bumps are always beneficial.

Of course my mission here is to make people do an Israel campaign because it is super fun and its proof that Israel and Jews are the strongest in the world so all this controversy is good because it bring views. Either way we all win so we can keep this up I don't mind.
 

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It has gotten to this... If the admins even see the two of us talk about anything at all they assume we are fighting. Nobody bothered reading any of the posts? Either way free bumps are always beneficial.

Of course my mission here is to make people do an Israel campaign because it is super fun and its proof that Israel and Jews are the strongest in the world so all this controversy is good because it bring views. Either way we all win so we can keep this up I don't mind.
But I did read all of it, the next response from Feb might have been an escalation to the argument I was just being careful. :)
 

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But I did read all of it, the next response from Feb might have been an escalation to the argument I was just being careful. :)
Did you expect him to defend the Ethiopians in this case? I could be wrong but isn't his last reply sarcastic? Let's be honest he wasn't gonna do that in any case and even if he did it would be forced or he would do it sarcastically. Either way one thing I know about febeb is that he isn't a bleeding heart liberal that would throw himself under a bus for a bunch of black man. Atleast from what I remember.

It was an easy chakemate for my case. After all our previews encounters I have finally formulated his replying method. Either way how come you are never joining us on ts3 hawk? I know you have ck2 do you have the Kingdom of David Achievement? This challange is actually in a way a guideline to how to get it and it is realy fun I recommend it.
 

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Did you expect him to defend the Ethiopians in this case? I could be wrong but isn't his last reply sarcastic? Let's be honest he wasn't gonna do that in any case and even if he did it would be forced or he would do it sarcastically. Either way one thing I know about febeb is that he isn't a bleeding heart liberal that would throw himself under a bus for a bunch of black man. Atleast from what I remember.

It was an easy chakemate for my case. After all our previews encounters I have finally formulated his replying method. Either way how come you are never joining us on ts3 hawk? I know you have ck2 do you have the Kingdom of David Achievement? This challange is actually in a way a guideline to how to get it and it is realy fun I recommend it.
Well I was just being sure. Also I am playing Katana ZERO and a bit of Imperator Rome, never really go for achievements in my games of CK2 or any game, I just play for fun and what I feel like. Last time I played CK2 I did a CK2 game as Ashai King of Darkness. =)
 

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beautiful map lizard knight ;)
Thanks honestly Europe managed to get themselves together right in time when I took the screen. Before it was a mess Britain and England were fighing each other all over Europe they had enclaves from Yugoslavia to Morocco to Spain and it was hard to look at. Intrestingly enough I had some Indian adventurer with the Child of Destiny thing run into Greece and conquer it all wih his doomstack but got killed after taking half of Italy and all of greece. It is sometimes just fun observing what shenanigans the ai is up to. The son of Genghis khan actually killed him before invading and dying to me. Most of the campaign I was just attacking and slaughtering my own vassals because I made it a prerogative to turn everything Ashkenazi which proved to be a monumental task and I ended up being somewhat successful and converted half the middle east and Anatolian counties into Ashkenazi culture legitemently.
 

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I mean i am with you Lizardknight hawkr is gay

But Khazars are as much goyim as the niggers....

The Khazars simply adopted judaism because they could be part of the judaism/christianity/islam group and thereby avoid getting fucked either by christians or muslims. by choosing judaism they kinda could remain neutral

Khazars = ashkenazi is a nazi propaganda myth and has been debunked by jewish historians again and again
 

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It has gotten to this... If the admins even see the two of us talk about anything at all they assume we are fighting. Nobody bothered reading any of the posts? Either way free bumps are always beneficial.

Of course my mission here is to make people do an Israel campaign because it is super fun and its proof that Israel and Jews are the strongest in the world so all this controversy is good because it bring views. Either way we all win so we can keep this up I don't mind.
Getting boned by everyone for 2000 years means that you are strongest???
 

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The Khazars simply adopted judaism because they could be part of the judaism/christianity/islam group and thereby avoid getting fucked either by christians or muslims. by choosing judaism they kinda could remain neutral
Let me ask you something. With all the times Jews have been wrongfully expelled, tortured, attacked, blood libelled, and stolen from in europe with the natural culmination that they would find another place, would the expelled Jews not go to Khazaria if it adopted Judaism even if originally it did not have a significant Jewish population? Theoretically could a country with a low Jewish population end up with a high Jewish population due to immigration and pogroms? What is the explanation for most of the world levite population coming from that area even today? How did so many Jews end up in pre Soviet Union Russia?

"Avoid getting fucked by chris, clitus and mustafa by becoming Jews" is the worst argument ever conceived since Darwin's evolution. Could you be the missing link? The only thing the heresies of Judaism hate more than each other is Judaism itself. If they cared so much about their religious group what were the crusades and Jihads all about? Is someone really going to argue that Khazaria would not get Crusaded or Jihaded eventually if those two stopped being at each other's throat for a second?

Khazars = ashkenazi is a nazi propaganda myth and has been debunked by jewish historians again and again
Is there a source on the nazi propaganda myth claim? I am curious as to the arguments here I only read there have been debates against Khazaria however I remain unconvinced.

Of course there has been a debate yet "khazars being debunked" is the only myth here. There is dna evidence that most of the remaining Levites in the world come from that area where the Khazars were, eg south Russia, East Ukriane, North Caucaus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levite#Levite_population). I am a Levite from my paternal side and my father has Khazar descent and of course I naturally have to be a Khazar as well. What I don't understand is why so many Jewish historians want to debunk this. Just because after we were banished from our homeland by the sons of Esau aka the romans and had to find refuge in places other than Israel for the better part of two millenniums doesn't mean we lose our claim on our homeland. When Jews were expelled from places in europe where did they go? Probably to Khazaria if it was Jewish no?

Getting boned by everyone for 2000 years means that you are strongest???
Of course, getting boned for 3000 years and surviving means we are the strongest. Life isn't just about how strong of a punch you can throw, someone will always be able to throw a faster, stronger, more precise punch, real strength is being able to get up after whatever punch you got. There were thousands of bigger nations that fell harder without as much as a scratch. We are like that old warrior hero with many scars. What fighter never lost a fight? Do you know of a nation older than us? A culture? A religion? He laughs the hardest who laughs last.
 
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Of course, getting boned for 3000 years and surviving means we are the strongest. Life isn't just about how strong of a punch you can throw, someone will always be able to throw a faster, stronger, more precise punch, real strength is being able to get up after whatever punch you got. There were thousands of bigger nations that fell harder without as much as a scratch. We are like that old warrior hero with many scars. What fighter never lost a fight? Do you know of a nation older than us? A culture? A religion? He laughs the hardest who laughs last.
No it doesn't mean you are strongest, just face the truth. Egypt much older then you mate, China too, India as well. I mean do you have selective amnesia concerning some stuff, not gonna say you didnt survive long but you are not the strongest.
 

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No it doesn't mean you are strongest, just face the truth. Egypt much older then you mate, China too, India as well. I mean do you have selective amnesia concerning some stuff, not gonna say you didnt survive long but you are not the strongest.
what about persia ???!!!! or median empire the babylon Assyrienss hitties greeks? there all older than indian persian

what about the first real civ in world!! sum

first
Civilization started in nowedays iraq


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what about persia ???!!!! or median empire the babylon Assyrienss hitties greeks? there all older than indian persian

what about the first real civ in world!! sum
Where are they now, the bablonians assyriens and and hittes? Where are their languages? Their fake religions? Their fake customs and idols? Will you really tell me the greeks you see today are the same spartans and athenians that worshipped animal raping idols? Do they even speak the same language? Not even going to start about dna. The Ottomans raped that whole region into nonexistance and for good measure.


No it doesn't mean you are strongest, just face the truth. Egypt much older then you mate, China too, India as well. I mean do you have selective amnesia concerning some stuff, not gonna say you didnt survive long but you are not the strongest.
If the name of a country remains the same but the people become extinct does that count as survival? If they didn't survive can they be measured for strength? Those are rhetorical questions and I am mostly going to do this in a monologue so listen carefully.

Do you actually know how many different peoples are in China? How many languages? Religions? Why didn't you mention Europe as well? Knowing all these things now can you really call China an identity and not a phenomenon that was created recently? The same thing about India, do you have any idea how many religions, different peoples, cultures, and traditions and their varieties it contains? I am talking about the Israeli people, the TWELVE TRIBES(Only Levites and Kohens matter for this topic) that survived since the dawn of time against all odds and came out on top because of our G-d, faith, torah, unity, and traditions?

I will say it again, we are absolute and we are the strongest. We are the strongest religion, we are the strongest people, we have the strongest traditions and ethics. We are indomitable and that is why we have gone unshaken against all odds and in spite all that satan has thrown against us. Is that not strength? Again rhetorical questions.

The fact that we have fallen and risen so many time IS WHY WE ARE STRONG. Romans were bigger than us but the slightest shake shattered them and erased their religions, peoples, traditions, and culture from the face of the earth. While we have been up in arms many times over and still here we are holding the same Torah we had millenniums ago. IS THAT NOT STRENGTH? Don't disgrace yourself by attempting to say this is false. Amnesia is forgetting the Jewish history and what we have gone through. It is forgetting how we left egypt.
 
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